how much has this oil spill changed the political and policy calculus, margie? >> well, it was starting to go downhill even before the oil spill got to be the big headlines. you had, last weekend, one of the main people who was writing that bill, the only republican involved with it, decided to withdraw because he was afraid that climate change was going to be overpowered by immigration law and all of the other -- >> lindsay graham. >> right, lindsay graham. so he said, i'm out of here. until you guys take immigration off the table, i'm going to withdraw. well, that left two guys, senator kerry and senator lieberman, who were feeling like, well, if we don't have a republican, it's kind of hard to introduce anything. >> that was before the oil slick became so big that it completely turned everything upside down. >> right. so at that point they were saying, well, you might be able to get a climate bill going, but then the oil spill came.